Tuesday, June 26, 2007

Mountains

This weekend I took the 5 youngest kids to the mountains. Kati (seven years old) wrote a few sentences about it. Here is her perspective along with some photos I took.

I had to much fun today. And we went to the mountons and we wonted to go up mnt scott but the gate was closd. And we got to feed prairie dogs. They wer so cute I wanted to tacke one home. They wer so cute. I would care for it. We got to go to medesen parck and their was a gient scorpien and a artest lived ther I had so much fun we ate at IHOP and I had a funny face pancake and millycent had chicen strips and frys so did kasidy. Kori had a egg omlet and pancks dad had 2 sanwiches we sa a dam and it was runing so pretty I wanted to sit on the rocks and the sound was butifull and I wanted to live by it and there was o castle.















Monday, June 18, 2007

Vaccines and Autism: New-Think Responds

This post is an ongoing conversation with a reader of New-Think. You may wish to read the previous 2 posts to bring yourself up to speed. Note: The reader chose the name "Geezer" for himself/herself, it is not an attempt by New-Think to disparage him/her.

Cheers,

JJ



Random Debating Skeletons

Geezer: I have a few comments about the autism article: Regarding vaccines and autism: Most of the "government required" vaccines have been administered widely to children since the 1950's--when the baby boomers were children. Why was the spike in autism not seen in their generation?

New-Think: New-Think does not claim that vaccines (and or thimerasol) are or are not the reason for the spike in autism. New-Think has merely pointed out that this has been a controversial issue for a while that is now getting its day in court.

Geezer: Regarding using material from aborted fetuses as a vaccine ingredient: This claim is fascinatingly similar to one that was going around 20 years ago that cosmetic companies were using collagen from aborted fetuses in their products. Since cattle, hogs, and chickens also contain collagen, and millions of them are slaughtered yearly it would seem to make a lot more sense that collagen from animals would be a lot more plentiful (as well as a lot cheaper) than the supply available in whatever "market" that might be in aborted fetuses. Turns out this was an urban legend widely circulated among some well meaning people. I suspect this may be one as well.

New-Think: There is a logic problem here…..Allow New-Think to paraphrase: I once heard a similar claim. It turned out not to be true. Therefore, this is not true.

I guess you would like resources to back up the claim. Fair enough. See the links at the bottom of this post.

Geezer: The post contained some seemingly propagandistic language. When I see blame being ascribed broadly to "big oil" or "big pharmaceutical companies" or whoever, red flags immediately go up in my brain. I go into "on guard" mode.

New-Think: My friend. Perhaps you have been a victim of propaganda, but not from New-Think. First, New-Think assigned blame to no one. Furthermore we did not claim that there was anything to be blamed on anyone. We agree that making generalist arguments against big entities (big oil, big pharmaceuticals, big tobacco) is typically a mark of those who cannot be bothered to think through their positions and are just looking for someone to blame for something they do not like.

Our problem with your statement above is that you seem to equate New-Think’s call to not blindly vaccinate with having a grudge against “big pharmaceuticals”. Quite the contrary. We concede that many vaccines have done a great deal of good for mankind. Our point is that does not mean we should assume that all vaccines will benefit every child. This conclusion goes back to the type of logic you seemed to use earlier. Again, let us paraphrase this logical fallacy: Some vaccines have done a great deal of good for a lot of people. Therefore all vaccines are good for people.

So let’s grab the bull by the horns. Even if we assume that pharmaceutical companies and the larger medical establishment have our best interests in mind or are at least neutral…there are some facts we cannot ignore. These are the same groups who originally thought it was safe to use x-ray machines in shoe stores, gave pregnant women Thalidomide for morning sickness and once allowed mercury in medicines. They assured us Vioxx and Duract were safe painkillers, prescribed Rezulin for diabetics and then denied any of them were responsible for patient deaths. If we never questioned these groups, we might not have discovered that Fen-phen and the dietary supplement Ephedra are not safe weight loss products, that antidepressants in kids can lead to suicidality and Viagra can cause blindness. The list goes on.

We are not assigning blame. Our position, which evidently was not clear, is that we should take the responsibility of our children’s safety into our own hands in the matter of vaccine administration…..and everything else.

Geezer: The writer is either assuming something about my beliefs or subliminally trying to influence them without discussion. While these large entities certainly have their interests, there is always another side to the story. I would gently urge Newthink to foster careful examination of all sides (or at least more than one side)of topics like this, and also to use more neutral language.

New-Think: The above collection of sentences is perplexing. It implies that New-Think has an agenda other than urging parental responsibility. Nothing was assumed about the readership of New-Think. It was mentioned that some are suspicious of drug companies. It was also mentioned that sometimes it seems folks who sue drug companies are on witch hunts. Which one of those statements should have been left out to make the language more “neutral”?

At the end of the original post 2 links were provided. One of the links better represents the government/CDC position. The other link is more skeptical. Again, which of these links should have been omitted to make the post more “neutral”?

New-Think thanks it’s readership for thoughtful responses and encourages participation is discussions like this. Even if we do not reach similar conclusions we do know that, “As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another”. Thank you brother for sharpening us.


http://www.whale.to/m/aborted.htm
http://www.physiciansforlife.org/content/view/1296/2/
http://www.dgwsoft.co.uk/homepages/vaccines/alternatives.htm

Vaccines and Autism: A Reader Responds

All,
One of the readers of New-Think recently took the time to post a lengthy response to last weeks post entitled "New Thinking About Vaccines and Autism". I am pulling it up to the main page for you to review and comment on. I will be responding to this with a new post within the next few days.

I have a few comments about the autism article:1. Regarding vaccines and autism: Most of the "government required" vaccines have been administered widely to children since the 1950's--when the baby boomers were children. Why was the spike in autism not seen in their generation? I doubt that the manufacturers would have only relatively recently intentionally added mercury or other well known bad actors. See this link to a John Stossel report on vaccines and autism: http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Health/story?id=2892683&page=1Seems the relatively recent increase in child autism diagnoses correlates almost exactly with the decrease in diagnoses of childhood mental illness. You mention the drug companies' interest in promoting childhood vaccinations. There is also obviously an interest by personal injury lawyers in keeping the autism/vaccination scare (factual or not) alive and well stirred.2. Regarding using material from aborted fetuses as a vaccine ingredient: This claim is fascinatingly similar to one that was going around 20 years ago that cosmetic companies were using collagen from aborted fetuses in their products. Since cattle, hogs, and chickens also contain collagen, and millions of them are slaughtered yearly it would seem to make a lot more sense that collagen from animals would be a lot more plentiful (as well as a lot cheaper) than the supply available in whatever "market" that might be in aborted fetuses. Turns out this was an urban legend widely circulated among some well meaning people. I suspect this may be one as well.3. The post contained some seemingly propagandistic language. When I see blame being ascribed broadly to "big oil" or "big pharmaceutical companies" or whoever, red flags immediately go up in my brain. I go into "on guard" mode. The writer is either assuming something about my beliefs or subliminally trying to influence them without discussion. While these large entities certainly have their interests, there is always another side to the story. I would gently urge Newthink to foster careful examination of all sides (or at least more than one side)of topics like this, and also to use more neutral language.

Thursday, June 14, 2007

New-Thinking About Vaccines and Autism


A landmark court hearing is about to begin and is expected to wrap up sometime around the end of June. The hot topic: childhood vaccinations. The premise of the case and the charge of the plaintiff is that thimerosal (a mercury containing vaccine additive) caused their 12 year old daughter’s autism. Nearly 5,000 people are standing in line behind them waiting for compensation if the ruling goes the way of the plaintiff. To win, the plaintiffs must prove a better than even connection between the vaccine and autism.

So what is the position of New-Think? It is clear that throughout the years folks have put stuff into their bodies and the bodies of others in the name of prevention and health that have been determined, in retrospect, to be horribly toxic to humans. It is very difficult to sort through the opposing sides of an issue like this. On the side of the drug companies we often are left with suspicions about whose interests are being served. On the side of folks who claim to have been negatively affected we are often met with raw emotion and outrage from the outset. Sometimes, but not always, more like a witch hunt than a scientific investigation.

There are two easy paths that can be taken…one is to blindly vaccinate your children with everything the government tells you they need. The other is to fear all vaccinations and thus never vaccinate. Both of these paths are less responsible (and easier) than the middle ground which seeks wisdom about these decisions and takes the responsibility on oneself to learn and decide what is best for each individual child. As parents, we alone are responsible for what goes into the veins of our children. Take time to learn about individual vaccinations. Are they controversial? Why? What is the likelihood of the illness the vaccine prevents affecting your child? How does that risk compare with the statistics of adverse reactions to that vaccine? Has adequate testing been done on the vaccine? The task is not easy….but what else about raising children properly is?

Our children trust us to be wise adults. Proverbs 14:15 says, “The simple believes everything, but the prudent gives thought to his steps”. Let’s give thought to our steps. We are children of God, not lemmings.

All of that being said the number of folks who choose to take the path of blindly vaccinating (instead of blindly not vaccinating) appears to be much much larger. So to shock you into thinking about it I will leave you with a list of vaccines that were derived from human fetal cells (from aborted fetuses).

Poliovax…………………………….......Polio
MMR II…………………………….......Measles, Mumps, Rubella
Biavax II…………………………….....Measles, Rubella
MR-VAX………………………….........Rubella
Imovax……………………………........Rabies
Hivrax………………………………......Hep A
Vaqta………………………………........Hep A
Twinrix……………………………........Hep A/B
Varixax……………………………........Chickenpox
Acambix 1000……………………….....Smallpox
MedImmune (manufacturer)…….......Influenza (flu)
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Monday, June 11, 2007

Some New Family Photos

Jeff Loves Michelle
The Entire Crew at Frontier City in Oklahoma City

Our Lovely Ladies in the Front Yard


Millicent Loves Watermelon.......

....A Lot!

All Wet at Frontier City

Millicent Has an Announcement (hint: read her shirt)